mentioned that this is not about creativity. Whatís the difference
between Creation and creativity?
Creation is bringing something out of nothing, or changing the form
of something. Creativity is taking what youíve created and working
with it. Using it. So theyíre connected but theyíre different.
Creativity relates to Creation, but we wanted to talk about Creation
primarily and move into creativity.
Does Creation always go hand in hand with pain? Iím thinking of
childbirth and the bringing in a new Creation, and yet thereís pain
involved. Is that, in the new paradigm weíre moving to, is that a
No. Pain, remember, as weíve talked about in the past, is a
resistance to incoming information. Childbirth does not have to be
painful. It can be uncomfortable, but if you think of a continuum of
physical sensation where thereís comfort and pain, giving birth to a
child is not comfortable because itís not familiar, itís new, and
itís something different.
There is a lot of cellular memory and
conscious collective agreement about pain being involved in childbirth
that is playing into it, but the pain is not necessary. Childbirth is
never going to be comfortable because of the new and different
sensations involved, but it doesnít have to be painful.
If you think
about it, there is a whole spectrum of women who have morning sickness
and women who donít, and women who have no complications-- they are in
labor for an hour and have a baby, and people who are in labor for 36
hours and are exhausted. So thereís already a continuum that we are
working on, weíre just more aware of the pain end of it.
Childbirth is a really good analogy for what weíre talking about with
Creation, because it epitomizes Creation. It is bringing forth something
out of nothing. Of course it had been something for nine months plus
before it came into the world, but the gestation period is kind of how
we work with Creation in fourth dimension before we move it into third
and fifth dimension.
So it is a really useful analogy. Anytime anything
changes, which is part of what you are asking about with the pain, and
that is what many of you are experiencing at this time, is that as
things shift and become uncomfortable, itís not comfortable any more
so itís something else, and that doesnít automatically equal pain.
But if we donít know what to do with it, or we donít have the tools
or we werenít prepared for it, pain is what ends up being experienced.
Is that a thought form thatís been perpetuated?
Part of what youíre talking about is the collective consciousness
agreement that has been operating globally for a long time now, for
thousands of years, that childbirth equals pain. Itís just a given.
This is why women in many different cultures experience pain in
childbirth, because thatís expected, thatís what theyíve seen,
thatís what theyíve known. They remember the pain that their mother
was caused when they were born. The pain that your mother went through
when you were born is encoded in your cellular memory. So if your mother
experienced pain, then whether you remember it or not, that
automatically plays into how much pain you experience during pregnancy.
Like we said, this is a great way to think about Creation, because just
as before a child is born itís been in the womb for nine months, and
the process began 6-8 months before that, between the parents and the
child and other Beings that were going to be involved with the child as
far as agreeing when this was going to happen, how this was going to
That is very similar to Creation in other forms as
well. A lot of it is unseen. You would have difficulty proving that
mothers and fathers and grandparents are in contact with the child
before theyíre even conceived or in the early times of conception, yet
people who are aware of this have no doubt that itís true.
the most part they donít have doubt, every once in a while they wonder
if theyíre making it up and thatís comparable to the way Creation is
being experienced now. There is a lot going on kind of behind the scenes
and some days you completely understand whatís happening and other
days you think, ďEverything that happened yesterday I completely made
it up and Iím losing my mind.Ē So compare it to the same thing with
how pregnancy happens as far as itís behind the scenes and it
doesnít seem real because itís not third dimensional yet.
Is that why there are days when we feel so confused? Is that because
weíre not completely aware of moving into this new Creation, or is it
that we donít understand it or weíre not ready for the knowledge?
Kind of a little bit of most of those, other than itís not that
youíre not ready for the knowledge, because if you werenít ready for
the knowledge, you wouldnít send it to yourself. You wouldnít
intentionally set yourself into a state of confusion. It feels like
confusion because itís information that doesnít register in your
regular mindful way of being.
So itís information that is coming in
and interacting with the other parts of your brain that have come on
line, but you donít know how to recognize that yet. Which is
comparable to information coming in and resulting in pain, not really
resulting in pain so much because you are more conscious of inviting
this information in, so itís not coming out as pain but itís coming
out as confusion. Confusion is on that spectrum between comfort and
pain. And so youíre never going to get anything quicker than youíre
ready for, because you are working with other levels of yourself at all
If it does feel like more than you want to deal with, you can always
say, ďOK, this is too much. I really need a good nightís sleep.Ē
Or, ďOK, Iím tired of being confused every single day. I need a
break,Ē just to stop the information. And thatís your job. Your
responsibility is to know that you are part of this process. So donít
just kind of sit back and say, ďTheyíre just running me ragged and
giving me too much information and overloading me,Ē and play the
victim role. Theyíre waiting for your feedback. Those of you in other
dimensions are equal players with you in this dimension so you need to
talk to each other.
What are the steps of Creation?
There are no steps, itís an instantaneous process. That being said,
we will now give you the steps of Creation.
Are you using ďCreationĒ and ďmanifestationĒ synonymously?
Not quite. Close. Manifestation is a step of Creation. Manifestation
is when itís more tangibly evident. Much of Creation happens before
thereís anything manifested, or evident, or tangible, or third
So is Creation a step to manifestation?
Manifestation is a step of Creation. Itís towards the end of it. And the
reason that we answer that the way we did a minute ago, that itís an
instantaneous process is because even though Creation takes place... It
doesnít take place. Even though Creation is evident in third dimension, it
doesnít take place third dimensionally. So it is not a time/space concept.
We are going to give you the steps,
but keep in mind as you work with this consciously that you will notice you are maybe at step 4 or 5, and then step 2 comes up
after 4 or 5. So Creation, even though there are steps, the steps
donít come linearly. Thatís why itís useful to start thinking
about Creation now, and to talk about the steps, because itís going to
help you be less linear, less bound by time-space, and help you be more
conscious and more consciously participatory in the Creation, because
youíre all doing this all the time anyway.
They said that Creation doesnít take place in 3-D. So all Creation
takes place before itís manifested in 3-D? Or did I get lost?
No, you are right. But it is not before, it is beyond. All
Creation takes place beyond third dimension. Before uses the time-space
concept. Itís a good question, and the confusion is understandable,
because again weíre talking out both sides of our mouth here.
purely third dimensional reality and technologies, Creation wouldnít
be possible. And thatís just further evidence that weíre not
operating as solely third dimensionally as we might think sometimes. A
really good way to think about that is that we need so much sleep. Sleep
is not a third dimensional thing. Closing your eyes and having your body
look like it is resting is third dimensional, but dreams are experienced
out of time-space.
It is simultaneous. You canít exist in third dimension without
using other dimensions. Which is kind of a new way to think about it
too. They are saying that there are different strata of dimensions, and
that all the dimensions need each other. Fifth dimension needs third
So they need each other?
Yes, and itís not only that, they are related to each other, itís
that there are fifth dimensional things-- weíll talk more about that
in a minute-- that allow third dimension to function, and vice versa.
Is that kind of like how the way we created it was that these bodies
can only function at 10% of capacity and we need the other, all the
other dimensions to be whole, so to speak?
Yes, even though the other 90-95% of the brain activity isnít
registering, it is actually working fifth dimensionally. Thereís no
one who has truly, completely forgotten that they are Divinity. Even
though they might not seem to remember and are functioning in complete
density and not interested in ascension or anything at this point, or
the fifth dimension at this point, they are still not purely third
dimensional. There are still other aspects of themselves that theyíre
just not aware of. So by not being aware of other parts of ourselves,
thatís where the other dimensions come into play. Is that what
Well, yes. Thatís part of it. I think itís interesting that they use
the word ďstrataĒ, the geological term. It creates what might be an
interesting visual, the way; for instance bedrock is built and the
limestone leads to the slate, leads to the granite, etc...
Yes, that is the way they were showing it to me as well, as if the side
of a mountain that had been cut away. And there is overlapping in between different strata, but then
thereís places down here that wonít have any relation to the rock up
Because theyíre all very different, but theyíre all integrally
Exactly, because if you look from a geological perspective,
depending on what you want to look at in the rock, the different layers
of the rock represent different time periods on the planet. They
represent different cultures that may or may not be present at this
time. And so if you think about the dimensions in terms of that,
thatís kind of how they work.
There was a time when dinosaurs were on
the earth, and that was a very different time than now. And thereís an
awareness of that, but it doesnít directly impact daily life. But our
children are taught about this time. And itís in our collective
conscious and our collective awareness, and thatís how the dimensions
work too. That even though youíre only in one dimension, you are aware
of the other dimensions at some level and they play into the decisions
Many Beings too that arenít even conscious of it, have
lifetimes before and after their Earth-bound experience which are
encoded in their cellular memory so it plays into their experience here.
So even Beings who arenít interested in ascension or the fifth
dimension at this time, many of them have had other experiences
To think of it any other way would imply that third
dimension is all there is. That means that somebody in third dimension
would have to have created all this, and that doesnít make any sense.
If you want to just make it simple to think about.
If there are not steps to Creation, because thatís sort of
misleading, steps usually have a linear connotation, can we maybe just sort of rephrase that or reframe that, in saying,
how do we optimize Creation, or the creative process?
Thatís a good idea. The answer is that you canít do
anything other than optimal Creation. Everything is Creation, even if
you create destitution or misery or pain. Thatís still a brilliant
expression of Creation. Thereís only one way you can create and
Why would you want to create something thatís uncomfortable?
Because thatís an experience that, as a Divine being, being
uncomfortable doesnít make any sense to you. You donít have any
understanding of that, because nothing would be uncomfortable. It is
going to be important and necessary for you to recognize that you have
created everything that you are experiencing and to some degree
participating in everything thatís being created on the planet and
beyond and beyond and beyond.
This can get really big. But weíll keep
it within with your lifetime, with whatís going on with the planet
now, or with your life experience. And this is a key to ascension, that
youíre not going to move in the fifth dimension until you take full
responsibility for everything that you create in every moment.
all have a rudimentary understanding of this as far as already
understanding that you create your own reality. You draw people to you
that you are interested in, or whatever, so youíve all been playing
with this idea and now weíre just going to take it a step further.
Begin to think about recognizing and owning everything, without judgment
and without qualification. The Creation of war is as precious as the
Creation of the Garden of Eden.
So why isnít our goal, instead of ascension, descension?
It actually is. There is no difference. The only way youíre going
to be able to ascend is to completely be here and remember that
thereís no other place you want to be than here right now or you
wouldnít be. That is the paradox and that is actually a very key
ingredient to ascension.
Another way to think about it is ascending is
wanting to try something different just as you wanted to try being third
dimensional. Which is different than wanting to try something other than
third dimensional because third dimensional is uncomfortable. It is
moving towards something rather than moving away from something. It is
moving towards a new experience rather than moving away from an
So when we say ďascend,Ē that seems to be the perfect thing
to do. Why donít we say, ďOk, letís move horizontally or
diagonally or downwardĒ?
That is a very good way to think about it because there is this kind
of unconscious assumption that ascension is up. And up is better than
down. And so thinking about it horizontally is very useful, itís just
another direction, and you donít want to get trapped in the time-space
continuum idea, but itís like that. Itís just this experience is
different from another experience.
Does that meant that we are simply looking for different experiences?
Yes, exactly! Youíre all just a bunch of experience junkies.
Well Iíd kind of like to be more consciously creating and leave a
few more of the ďOh, whoops!Ē out of it.
And youíre nearing that time. But weíd like you to consider the
possibility that the ďOh, whoops!Ē has just been a kick in the pants. You
keep thinking that youíre getting sideswiped, you keep thinking, ďBoy if
Iíd been prepared for that I couldíve been so much more creative,Ē but
that was actually the fun of it. The unexpected.
The whole idea that you can create and
not be aware of your Creation until it knocks up against you just tickles
you as a Divine being. When you were thinking about doing that you
couldnít wait to see what it would be like to not know that you were